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[monktbd]

Lois said:

Reason: As posts are made, the earlier threads don't take you to the last post. That makes the board less user friendly and cuts interaction????

i didnt understand that.

you click on the last post link in an older new posts search result and it doesnt get you to the last post but to the last post at the time you made the new posts search? if that's the problem you describe then i think it is not a problem at all.

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Maybe the idea of having most of the board within small group membership subscriptions is a good idea, instead of the condensing suggested?

i think the condensing is better especially in conjunction with the new posts hack that lets you choose which forums to include for that search.

group membership will hopefully not be needed anymore. i dont like to include or exclude certain people or groups of people.

[Driver Nate]

As overwhelming as it's become I've actually gotten used to Murmurs as it is. A lot more thought has gone into the organization of this board than at a lot of others I visit which oftentimes have no organization at all. Still, I can't help but long for the days when I first started visiting here and I think the layout went something like this:

R.E.M.

Everything Else

Jonathan

[Blue]

Driver Nate said:

As overwhelming as it's become I've actually gotten used to Murmurs as it is. A lot more thought has gone into the organization of this board than at a lot of others I visit which oftentimes have no organization at all.Still, I can't help but long for the days when I first started visiting here and I think the layout went something like this:

R.E.M.

Everything Else

Jonathan

I agree.

Soon we'll need to graduate in Murmursing..

[MurmursAdministrator]

Lois said:

It just occurred to me that by condensing the forums, It will be harder to see whats going on at a glance, and harder to reply to long threads.

Reason: As posts are made, the earlier threads don't take you to the last post. That makes the board less user friendly and cuts interaction????

Maybe the idea of having most of the board within small group membership subscriptions is a good idea, instead of the condensing suggested?

With new Mark Read features (storing it in a database, so its easy for people to track) and being able to include/exclude things from New Posts, I'll finally be able to use Find New Posts properly :)

[mrdavesanchez]

Lois said:

It just occurred to me that by condensing the forums, It will be harder to see whats going on at a glance, and harder to reply to long threads.

Reason: As posts are made, the earlier threads don't take you to the last post. That makes the board less user friendly and cuts interaction????

Maybe the idea of having most of the board within small group membership subscriptions is a good idea, instead of the condensing suggested?

I do not think you are going to notice this as much as you might expect. I think the way that Ethan's proposed design works well because it combines some of those forums that do not have a lot of participation in them while leaving some of those forums that have a lot of participation alone.

Murmurs does not have equal participation among all its conferences, if you look at the forums at a glance you will notice that some of these forums will have only 1 or 2 users reading them and others having 8 or 9 users reading them.

By combining some of the like minded smaller conferences you will hope to introduce people to threads they might not have read before. I think in the long run it will work, at least make things much more conducive to participation.

[MeanCat]

http://www.murmurs.c...547#post1485547
this one should be put into chit-chat, too

[In the Corner]

ethank said:

Journals: they will be much, much, much better. I don't know about importing old journals over.

It'll be at URL's like http://www.murmurs.com/blog/ethank

I hope it'll work, because that link didn't.  Holy crap, yourself!  ;)

If the old ones will not be imported, will you give us some warning before they disappear so they can be printed?  I don't really want to use ink for all that if it's going to remain, but will if it's going to disappear.

[Zarok]

In the Corner said:

If the old ones will not be imported, will you give us some warning before they disappear so they can be printed?

Why not download it or copy/paste as .doc then burn it in a disc that way you have a hard copy and you will not use too many papers. Or, when the new journal are set-up you can recopy it and posted it back online?

[In the Corner]

Zarok said:

Why not download it or copy/paste as .doc then burn it in a disc that way you have a hard copy and you will not use too many papers. Or, when the new journal are set-up you can recopy it and posted it back online?

Thank you! That's a perfect solution!!!  *hugs Zarok*   :) I should have thought of that.  :o

[MurmursAdministrator]

I'm sure one of us could program a "save for print" or something for the journals. If we can easily do an importer we'll do that, but I'm not sure.

[Stewrat]

The new format looks alright to me!  Things will always be a changin', onwards and upwards and all that.

Hopefully the merging of some forums will spark some life into them.

[happynessie]

i think changing is good...
i remember the last time things changed here, there were a lot more different people posting than now...
so maybe that will happen again... (maybe i will post more often again...)

vanessa

[anniebaer]

Whats about the other personal features f.e. pm, pager, buddy list. Will these all stay?  The saved pm and pager messages, will they be still there. I like to remember who wrote me for some time.
I would like to see like others said before a complete forum as a newbie and then chose this forums or section that I'm interested in. You can always check the threads where you already posted in though your cp, but I think its difficult to find new threads you are interested in the new posts list. I would like to see another type of listing there, perhaps sorted by forums and sub forums, because you have to read the whole line to know whats the thread is all about, if you cant decide this ad once by its title.
I hope it will be a good explanantion about the changes that will be done exactly so that everyone can find easily what s(he) wants to.
For my english isnt to good, i hope you get the point was i was trying to say (maybe I'm too complicate in telling what I want to...)

[In the Corner]

ethank said:

I'm sure one of us could program a "save for print" or something for the journals. If we can easily do an importer we'll do that, but I'm not sure.

That'd be really nice, if it can be done easily.

[MurmursAdministrator]

anniebaer said:

Whats about the other personal features f.e. pm, pager, buddy list. Will these all stay?  The saved pm and pager messages, will they be still there. I like to remember who wrote me for some time.
I would like to see like others said before a complete forum as a newbie and then chose this forums or section that I'm interested in. You can always check the threads where you already posted in though your cp, but I think its difficult to find new threads you are interested in the new posts list. I would like to see another type of listing there, perhaps sorted by forums and sub forums, because you have to read the whole line to know whats the thread is all about, if you cant decide this ad once by its title.
I hope it will be a good explanantion about the changes that will be done exactly so that everyone can find easily what s(he) wants to.
For my english isnt to good, i hope you get the point was i was trying to say (maybe I'm too complicate in telling what I want to...)

We're going to import over everything from this board. I'm not doing an upgrade on this board because I want a clean database to work with. I'm still hammering out some parts of the equation (namely, the torrent tracker and design), but we're getting close.

[monktbd]

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Whats about the other personal features f.e. pm, pager, buddy list. Will these all stay? The saved pm and pager messages, will they be still there.

ethank said:

We're going to import over everything from this board.

Difficult for some users is to see what is already built into vbulletin and what is hacks.

built in are a lot of features like private messaging, buddy lists, thread subscriptions.

the pager is a hack that doesnt exist yet for the new version but should be out soon. if it is out then we can hopefully include also the old pager messages.

all in all i can say is that no data gets lost but data might not be accessable anymore.
e.g. if a new pager comes later than when we upgrade the boards but has the ability to import old pager messages they might get imported. if we have to write the script for importing ourselves (if possible) then it is surely not decided yet when and how.

so hacks arent always easy (or even possible) to import and wont necessarily get imported.

important are features like the news archives, tracker and a general layout/structure/howto of how to do things publishing wise.

[afte4hou4s]

are the forums closing during the "reconstruction"?
aprox. how long is it going to take?

[monktbd]

afte4hou4s said:

are the forums closing during the "reconstruction"?
aprox. how long is it going to take?

we try to prepare as much as we can, but the forums will be down for some time since we need to import everything.
probably a day.

[MurmursAdministrator]

And.... it's done!

Now phase two.....

[anniebaer]

ethank said:

And.... it's done!

Now phase two.....

whats phase two?:confused: