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[BlueCordFFA]

I can see what he is trying to say. I dont agree with him and I hardly find it racist. . .maybe stupid but not racist. [/B][/QUOTE]


Yea Eric, but racsists are stupid.

[Joni Smeke]

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Originally posted by mountainbed9


But it is a community before that.

I think you are grasping at straws here. Boycott myrem if you want to. I dont go there personally. But why announce here that he is racist?

Why not?, We had a discussion, he siad that he said, and it is my legal right to ask to boycott the site. It doesn't matter if it's a community or a propaganda site. It's HIS site. He owns it. I can fight him in any way I have the right to.

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I can see what he is trying to say. I dont agree with him and I hardly find it racist. . .maybe stupid but not racist.

Well I guess that you never faced racism in your life, so it's not the same thing when you read it and when I read it.

[jakf1902]

I take it Jim is going to Israel with Ethan then..?

j.

[mountainbed9]

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Originally posted by BlueCordFFA
Yea Eric, but racsists are stupid.

And there are a lot of non racists are stupid as well.

There are stupid people on THIS site but why boycott it?

So are we going to boycott everytime we run into a stupid person?

[Joni Smeke]

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Originally posted by mountainbed9

There are stupid people on THIS site but why boycott it?

So are we going to boycott everytime we run into a stupid person?

Personally I think that being racist is not the same thing as being stupid. I'm not boycotting myrem because of a stupid person, I'm doing that because the administrator of the site, the person who owns it, posted that. I'd do the same thing in any site.

[mountainbed9]

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Originally posted by jakf1902
I take it Jim is going to Israel with Ethan then..?

j.

that would be a cool trip to document.

[BlueCordFFA]

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Originally posted by mountainbed9


And there are a lot of non racists are stupid as well.

There are stupid people on THIS site but why boycott it?

So are we going to boycott everytime we run into a stupid person?

Of course there are non-rascists who are stupid and people on this site too (I have a little list...) but do we draw the line anywhere?
Do we tolerate everything?  When does liberalism simply become self indulgence?

[Joni Smeke]

And it's not about Judaism at all. Religion doesn't matter to me. It's all about being labeled in such a way just because your history. In the case with Jews, this means antisemism.

[lily]

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Originally posted by Antti


I do understand Joni's and Ethan's personal involvement because it was something that really offended their faith.

So, do what you do and think what you think. I don't think what Jim said is appropriate, but i am not boycotting myrem. (i visit so rarely anyway)

it's a nice website, i post there rarely too(ok, last time was maybe 8 months ago if not more) but not because of some sort of comments that were said , just cause it's not as active as here and the colors are so 1992 :p    
not but seriously , boycotting is pointless but that was an ass remark and it should be to everyone as a person and not to specific religiously-related people just like i wouldn't want to read any macho crap or homophobic shit .

[mountainbed9]

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Originally posted by Joni Smeke


Personally I think that being racist is not the same thing as being stupid. I'm not boycotting myrem because of a stupid person, I'm doing that because the administrator of the site, the person who owns it, posted that. I'd do the same thing in any site.

Well Israel does tend to bring upon a religious significance to their creation.

I think its more the point of view of the reader in this case. I think there is a tendency right now in America that we arent as receptive to the Israeli plight for various reasons.

I think for a long time the holocaust card was played long enough.  I think htere is a segment of the American population that believes that if we never got involved with Isreal in the first place we would be in the issues we are in now.

[mountainbed9]

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Originally posted by Joni Smeke
And it's not about Judaism at all. Religion doesn't matter to me. It's all about being labeled in such a way just because your history. In the case with Jews, this means antisemism.

well Jews tend to throw it back at everyone else.... aka. . play the holocaust card.

Many Jews do make it racial...

[Joni Smeke]

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Originally posted by mountainbed9


Well Israel does tend to bring upon a religious significance to their creation.

I think its more the point of view of the reader in this case. I think there is a tendency right now in America that we arent as receptive to the Israeli plight for various reasons.

I think for a long time the holocaust card was played long enough.  I think htere is a segment of the American population that believes that if we never got involved with Isreal in the first place we would be in the issues we are in now.

I never played that card, And I'm not playing it now. The fact that many assholes use it when they feel like just to avoid giving answers doesn't mean that when a real anti semistic appears we can't remind people what happened.

About point of view of the reader - I agree. I'll just let people judge.

[Joni Smeke]

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Originally posted by mountainbed9


well Jews tend to throw it back at everyone else.... aka. . play the holocaust card.

Many Jews do make it racial...

Yeah I know they do that sometimes. I never did that before. I expect to recieve a certain credit BECAUSE I never used it before. This time it's the real thing, that's why.

[BlueCordFFA]

[I think for a long time the holocaust card was played

Eric,

I can't believe you said that...I really can't; nobody bought that up here, this was about RACISM and in this case anti-semtism.

The Shoah/Holocaust is not a card to be played it is a fact.

[lily]

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Originally posted by mountainbed9


well Jews tend to throw it back at everyone else.... aka. . play the holocaust card.

Many Jews do make it racial...

well d'oh! every friday night right after the "kidush" me and my gang buy a six pack and play the holocaust card,we never miss it! but only for  the GREEN$
    :rolleyes:

[mountainbed9]

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Originally posted by BlueCordFFA
[I think for a long time the holocaust card was played

Eric,

I can't believe you said that...I really can't; nobody bought that up here, this was about RACISM and in this case anti-semtism.

The Shoah/Holocaust is not a card to be played it is a fact.

I know it is a fact and it is a fact that plays in the beliefs that outsiders perceive Israel to be and what the State of Israel is founded upon. Why was Isreal founded? It was founded on the basis of a people that didnt have a country. These people were Jewish refugees and the world powers basically gave them a land to live peacefully. Well that hasnt happened.

The problem with Jims statement is that he doesnt realize there are other countries that have conflicts based on religion. Israeli/Palestinian conflicts main issue is religion. Is it the only countries fighting over religion. No. Pakistan and India are fighting over land that again is based on two countries whose religous differences have created the conflict. Afghanistans goverment has been religious. Most arab countries power lies in the party or people that have support of the religious leaders and society.

I mean if it is racist to believe that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict does not lie on religious lines then I think you are going to find a lot of people here and in the world are racist. And I used the events of the Holocaust to point out that many Jews/Isrealis do tend to use the Holocaust to: remind people/educate/bring to the attention issues that are going on in Israel right now. So many Israelis do use this as a basis for their feelings about things.

And to Joni, I am not going to give you credit for not doing that but you aren't the only representative of Isreal. You might be good and not mention it but many others do. Does this make it right? No it doesnt but it puts the perception that religion is a VERY important topic.

[mountainbed9]

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Originally posted by lily


well d'oh! every friday night right after the "kidush" me and my gang buy a six pack and play the holocaust card,we never miss it! but only for  the GREEN$
    :rolleyes:

Yer Hebrew humor is a bit above my comprehension. Sorry I dont get it.

[OneArpeggioPete]

hummm... sorry, i hate to say it, but to me this does not sound blatantly anti-semitic or racist. to me this sounds more likely crudely and ignorantly anti-zionistic, which is quite a different thing, and actually, if intellectually reflected, worth talking about. it is of course an extremely ignorant and stupid comment, and one that doesn't do any website administrator, and certainly any r.e.m. fan, honour. it shows a deep lack of tolerance, respect and poltical and historical understanding. that, if you ask me, is quite enough to boycott a website anyway (not that i've ever been as it is). racist and anti-semitic it is, as far as i'm concerned. btw - make of my nationality what you want in this context...

:-)

oneArpeggiopete:cool:

[gravitycreep]

<i>ra·cism [ráy sìzzm ] noun (disapproving)

1.  animosity toward other races:  prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races "I am a Muslim and … my religion makes me against all forms of racism." Malcolm X Speech, Prospects for Freedom (1965)</i>

I don't believe he was showing any animosity or prejudice towards the Jewish race.  He was expressing a theory (speculation:  abstract thought or contemplation) of his that he had come to based on his contemplation of the Jewish religion.  Whether he totally believes in this theory is irrelevant with regards to racism, as even this theory doesn't project animosity.  Theories don't constitute a set way of thinking.

<i>2.  belief in racial superiority:  the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior.</i>

No dice here, either.  He never said anything about any other race being superior to the Jewish race.

I believe Mr. Barry was expressing a theory, and theories are unproven ideas.  How can you classify this statement as racist when it has nothing to do with racism?  Is it because you yourself don't agree with the theory and can find no other way to discuss it, therefore resorting to calling his statement "racist"?

I'm not attacking you, just trying to clear up some facts.  The word "racism" is thrown around too much today by people who have no idea of what true racism means.  It is merely a defense mechanism and one that can be used when all other choices for explanation are exhausted.  True racism is a dispicable thing and has no place in this world that we all live on...so be extremely careful when you apply that word to a comment or a person.  It it too volatile a subject to be taken lightly.

Just my opinion.

[BlueCordFFA]

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Originally posted by gravitycreep
<i>ra·cism [ráy sìzzm ] noun (disapproving)

1.  animosity toward other races:  prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races "I am a Muslim and … my religion makes me against all forms of racism." Malcolm X Speech, Prospects for Freedom (1965)</i>

I don't believe he was showing any animosity or prejudice towards the Jewish race.  He was expressing a theory (speculation:  abstract thought or contemplation) of his that he had come to based on his contemplation of the Jewish religion.  Whether he totally believes in this theory is irrelevant with regards to racism, as even this theory doesn't project animosity.  Theories don't constitute a set way of thinking.

<i>2.  belief in racial superiority:  the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior.</i>

No dice here, either.  He never said anything about any other race being superior to the Jewish race.

I believe Mr. Barry was expressing a theory, and theories are unproven ideas.  How can you classify this statement as racist when it has nothing to do with racism?  Is it because you yourself don't agree with the theory and can find no other way to discuss it, therefore resorting to calling his statement "racist"?

I'm not attacking you, just trying to clear up some facts.  The word "racism" is thrown around too much today by people who have no idea of what true racism means.  It is merely a defense mechanism and one that can be used when all other choices for explanation are exhausted.  True racism is a dispicable thing and has no place in this world that we all live on...so be extremely careful when you apply that word to a comment or a person.  It it too volatile a subject to be taken lightly.

Just my opinion.

Pathetic.