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[thomas08]

Sweden, on 14 March 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Five years ago the situation was the same here. You talking about "multiple music stores" in two (what I understand to be) not too large towns is just one sign of the development you seem to still have ahead of you there. Talking to my sister who lives in the UK about how her friends consume music shows a surprising lag in technical and market development there. Possibly Ireland is somewhat similar. But it'll come to you, I promise!

When you say that "I just do not see a time where the vinyl will overtake the cd because a) the cd is more compact/modern and the sale of digital downloads will greatly hinder the sale of vinyl" it seems you have completely missed my point though, because (a) vinyl and digital do in no way compete with eachother and ( it's digital that kills cds, not vinyl. The vinyl is a bi-effect of the transfer to digital.

Anyway, a murmurs member reported elsewhere that Peter "has that record already recorded with him singing all the songs, but they will change the vocals to guest singers most likely".

/D

Maybe vinyl sales are increasing, but as you said yourself they are picking up slowly, whereas digital download sales are rapidly increasing and cd sales are slowly declining. It'll take a heck of a long time for this vinyl movement to occur, in my opinion so long that it'll just fizzle out and become as popular as it has been the past decade (which is very little).

CD Sales are not declining just because they are out of date, but also because the vast majority of people no longer need or want to own a physical copy of an album. And this also applies to vinyl.

Secondly, "Anyway, a murmurs member reported elsewhere that Peter "has that record already recorded with him singing all the songs, but they will change the vocals to guest singers most likely". - where did you hear this?!

Just thinking about the way Scott will be on the album, since the majority of Scott's projects feature Bill Reiflin on drums, imagine if Mike did a bass/guest vocal spot! we'd practically have an R.E.M. Track

[Sweden]

thomas08, on 14 March 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

whereas digital download sales are rapidly increasing

If you include streaming services such as spotify/wimp/rdio etc when you say digital download, yes. iTunes? Haven't heard of anyone buying anything from there in the last two years or so...at least not "the kids".

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CD Sales are not declining just because they are out of date, but also because the vast majority of people no longer need or want to own a physical copy of an album. And this also applies to vinyl.

You're sort of missing the point again. CDs and vinyl may both be physical products, but in this market they appeal to completely different customer groups and serve different purposes.

No need to argue about this though. Judging by your comments I find good reason to believe the Irish market is a few years behind the Scandinavian markets for example, and I do believe you will see the development I'm describing as the current situation around here.

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Secondly, "Anyway, a murmurs member reported elsewhere that Peter "has that record already recorded with him singing all the songs, but they will change the vocals to guest singers most likely". - where did you hear this?!

Facebook. I will let him come forward himself if he wants to, but I would suspect he has good sources.

/D

[TheMiddleDistance]

I'm 14. I buy CDs over MP3s when I have the choice, and vinyl over CDs when I have that choice. Just sayin'! I like to be able to hold the album in a tangible way rather than just look at it on a screen.
But I like having that choice so if I need to I can get it in another format, so I'm against the vinyl only deal.

[Sweden]

TheMiddleDistance, on 14 March 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I'm 14. I buy CDs over MP3s when I have the choice, and vinyl over CDs when I have that choice. Just sayin'! I like to be able to hold the album in a tangible way rather than just look at it on a screen.
But I like having that choice so if I need to I can get it in another format, so I'm against the vinyl only deal.

Think that proves my point fairly well. Buying downloads soon will seem like a bit of an outdated thing too, I guess. Why pay ten quid for an album on itunes when for the same amount you can have instant access to a few millions songs anywhere you are?

As for Peter's record, we obviously have no idea what formats it eventually will be released on.

[7 chineSe robs.]

Sweden, on 14 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

CDs are bought (with a few exceptions like myself, but I'm also moving away from them) by middle aged people in gas stations...

Setting aside our disagreement about a surge in vinyl interest ...

They sell CDs in gas stations in Sweden?

[fredrik]

7 chineSe robs., on 14 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

They sell CDs in gas stations in Sweden?

Yes. And in Norway.

[Sweden]

7 chineSe robs., on 14 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Setting aside our disagreement about a surge in vinyl interest ...

They sell CDs in gas stations in Sweden?

Yes, and they're one of the major cd retail places in fact. Since cars are one of the few places where peope feel bound to listen to cd's (smooth smartphone connections to the car stereo still mostly being found in really new cars) people grab a cd or two when buying gas. It may still be more of a middle age thing, per my previous posts, but the number of "Smokie's Greatest Hits" or the new Springsteen record sold through gas stations is probably larger than the number sold through regular record stores.

http://sverigesradio...artikel=4352848
"There will always be some shops in the big cities that are dedicated to music and that can survive", he adds "but if this is your only source of income, and you have to pay your staff's wages, then I think it will be very difficult. In the future you'll only be able to buy CDs in the supermarkets and petrol stations," he says."

[7 chineSe robs.]

fredrik, on 14 March 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

Yes. And in Norway.

Interesting. In the U.S., you won't find CDs, but plenty of beer and Doritos. I like your gas stations better.

[2headedcow]

fredrik, on 14 March 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

Yes. And in Norway.

.........and Australia.

[fredrik]

7 chineSe robs., on 15 March 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

Interesting. In the U.S., you won't find CDs, but plenty of beer and Doritos. I like your gas stations better.

In Norway and Sweden, beer in a gas station is both prohibited and (when abroad) head-shakingly frowned upon (by many).

[luc]

2headedcow, on 15 March 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

.........and Australia.

and in Italy.........

[fanfan]

fredrik, on 15 March 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

In Norway and Sweden, beer in a gas station is both prohibited and (when abroad) head-shakingly frowned upon (by many).

Yeah, that may be right, but here in this country, Swedish hotel guests are notorious for drinking heavily!

[Caleb Kyzer]

Sweden, on 14 March 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

CDs and vinyl may both be physical products, but in this market they appeal to completely different customer groups and serve different purposes.

If i understand you right, then i don't agree.  i think there are lots of people, myself included, who would like the better quality of vinyl but due to costs, availability their fragileness, and limited space (in my apartment), we go w/ CDs.  most of my friends (I'm 35) hardly own any CDs and listen exclusively to mp3, itunes, etc. i read an article where Neal Young talked about some other digital format that he hoped Steve Jobs/ Apple would've worked on, but it would require (relatively) huge amouts of space. i was surprised to read that Young said that a CD holds about 15% of the original recorded content (quality-wise) and mp3 about 5%, if i remember right.  CDs sound pretty good to my poor ears, esp if it's good music and not just some electronic, synthesized junk.

[Sweden]

Caleb Kyzer, on 15 March 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

If i understand you right, then i don't agree.  i think there are lots of people, myself included, who would like the better quality of vinyl but due to costs, availability their fragileness, and limited space (in my apartment), we go w/ CDs.  most of my friends (I'm 35) hardly own any CDs and listen exclusively to mp3, itunes, etc. i read an article where Neal Young talked about some other digital format that he hoped Steve Jobs/ Apple would've worked on, but it would require (relatively) huge amouts of space. i was surprised to read that Young said that a CD holds about 15% of the original recorded content (quality-wise) and mp3 about 5%, if i remember right.  CDs sound pretty good to my poor ears, esp if it's good music and not just some electronic, synthesized junk.

Not sure I follow you, but I would think that the people actually hesitating between vinyl and CD, and ultimately going for the CD, are limited in number. My statement should probably stress the "fill different functions" more than "appeal to different groups", though.

[Caleb Kyzer]

Sweden, on 15 March 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Not sure I follow you, but I would think that the people actually hesitating between vinyl and CD, and ultimately going for the CD, are limited in number. My statement should probably stress the "fill different functions" more than "appeal to different groups", though.

i probably rambled a bit on the Neil Young quote, but my point was that people often settle for the 2nd best option if it's more convenient, ie. CD over vinyl.  Neil Young wants to release the absolute best quality possible, but listeners probably don't need that.  i mean they don't release movies on 35mm or whatever, as blu-ray and dvd are both compressed and probably far from the original.

so what do you mean by "different functions"?  my goal is to havevery  good quality, while maybe not the absoute best.  i also started my music collection when i was a teenager and didn't have the money or interest in vinyl at the time.  and now i download ltos of live concerts in flac, and there's no way to burn your own vinyl, is there?  

and just out of curiousity, is flac better than wav, quality-wise? and where is the bigger difference quality vinyl > CD or CD > mp3?

[Gardyloo]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm wondering about Scott's comment about the songs being "pretty out" more than anything else.  

[Crystal Eagle]

I still buy CD's, don't have a mobile phone of any type, don't have an ipod (or similar), don't have a working computer at home, and haven't used my record player for years!

Like to read sleeve notes and physically hold my music.

[Sweden]

Crystal Eagle, on 22 March 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

I still buy CD's, don't have a mobile phone of any type, don't have an ipod (or similar), don't have a working computer at home, and haven't used my record player for years!

Then you are an extreme exception. What's your point?

[bflood]

Now that storage is becoming less and less of an issue, I hope we see a transition from mp3/aac to lossless formats such as WAV.

Vinyl is great for many reasons, but one thing that it requires is time for dedicated listening.  It is much easier to multi-task with digital formats.

[Crystal Eagle]

Sweden, on 22 March 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Then you are an extreme exception. What's your point?

No point, just a statement.