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[fanfarecircuit]

karaokeboy said:

I think you mean audiophile, FFC.

no...i mean, audiofile.  "audiofile engineering" is the software company we've been talking about on and off for 20 pages.

http://www.audiofile-engineering.com

get it...audio file...it's cute, right?

you are very argumentative for absolutely no reason.  it's only making you look foolish.

[elvisrem]

Hi

One question. I've been trying to get LP today with no success. I live in london. Where did you get vinyl guys? I am not sure whether I should buy Vinyl+Cd version from US ebayer

I've managed to buy turntable but with LP is not that easy:) I really do hope that the sound is different o vinyl. I know the music is brilliant (4 nights in Dublin). it's just this fucked up cd what give me less-sleepness nights!!!!

cheers

[sewayland]

I saw Peter this weekend and I asked him about the loudness issue.  Peter confirmed that it's loud, but he insisted that the album is not super compressed...

[gregmcg1983]

sewayland said:

I saw Peter this weekend and I asked him about the loudness issue.  Peter confirmed that it's loud, but he insisted that the album is not super compressed...

In that case, I hope he uses some ear protection on the upcoming tour so that he can preserve the hearing that he still HAS.  :D

Greg
myspace.com/gregmcgarveymusic

P.S.  Seriously, though, maybe he hasn't actually listened to a post-mastering version of it.

[aerportman]

Yeah, if Peter says this, you guys are making a lot of out nothing.

If you want a real explanation of what is going on, (at least to some extent) think hypochondria.  Take a term that you give a bad connotation (in this case "Loudness War") and associate it with a vague "illness" (in this case "ear strain").  Convince them it's horrible problem that can infect anyone (in this case "Accelerate") and they'll start thinking they suffer from ear-strain too, and it's because of the Loudness War.  Classic case of hypochondria, and why they run double-blind tests in controlled experiments.  Add to that a "control" group that was not randomly sampled (vinyl-purchasers who tend to be vinyl-lovers who already prefer vinyl to CDs), and subjected to "suggestion" (i.e., 'Compression = Bad!!').  Then add to that a person doing a horribly unreliable (and biased) analysis of the population (everyone gets ear strain and hates the mastering!...allegedly) and you have the worst experiment and analysis ever conducted in the history of the universe.  (Don't forget that people want to be considered "good listeners" and will thus believe that they like the old-school vinyl better, if prompted in a non-blind study).

There are, of course, other explanations for ear-strain.  I've noted one earlier.  There are, of course, other reasons for increasing the perceived loudness in mastering (i.e., the actual term for the "loudness war").  There are, of course, reasons to like the mastering on the CD better than the vinyl.  Forget that people who point out these things are left out of the sample (another classic trait of a bad study).  Enough said.

[karaokeboy]

Oh sure.

[Kelly A]

aerportman said:

Enough said.

Thanks, that kinda started rambling there. ;)

monktbd said:

yeah sure, i meant the amount of different values not the actual range [32767 - (-32768) + 1 for the 0 makes 65536].
i guess i  need to work on my phrasing i seem to get misunderstood sometimes (i surely am linguistically challenged at times - lol)

still planning on writing a simple wav file reader?
i looked at the format a bit with the links for wav on wikipedia and it looks quite straightforward. once you have a proper header parser it is done.
when you are done with the .wav reader you can continue with an .avi reader :p.

Well, I started writing something but got distracted. Here's a program that reads and writes, but it's not really ready for prime time. Just for grins, I put in an amplification of 0.5 which is not particularly useful but proved to me that the input and output files weren't the same and I could do processing.

The WAVread() routine seems to read the data in correctly and scales it to -1.0 to +1.0-(1/32768).

To hell with an AVI reader. :)

[aerportman]

although i guess if you wanted to avoid rambling, you wouldn't be here... ;);)

[Lets Buck]

As a musician and having worked on recordings in the studio, I kind or figured Accelerate was very compressed, but I think that is down just as much to Jack knife Lee's production as it is the mastering.

I think it gives the record a very 'clean' and 'fresh' sound to it... not such a bad thing I think.

[poster_torn]

seems pretty suspect to me.

I haven't heard Accelerate on vinyl (I do have Document on vinyl, but I don't have it on CD :cool: )

the thing he fails to mention (well he does, briefly) is that the difference between "loud" and "soft" on a CD is many many times greater than on a vinyl record.

even if the music was "compressed" to an average level of "8" the "headroom" between that and "10" is probably about the same as the entire dynamic range of a vinyl record.

if other words, if a CD can go from 1 to 10, a record can only go from 4 to 6 (lower than 4 would fall down into the "noise" floor and louder than 6 would cause the needle to jump out the groove, or require a record 3-feet wide like he says...)

in any case, Accelerate sounds fine to me on my stereo - I don't use headphones and I rarely listen to a whole album at a time... but I have a ~$5000 stereo (actually, 7.1 channels) and it sounds very good to me, loud or soft.

it's a "loud" album, it's supposed to sound "loud" :cool:

[Dream Brother]

Jesus Christ please let's not start this again.

[petruchio]

Dream Brother said:

Jesus Christ please let's not start this again.

Amen.