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[wagtail]

-kawada- said:

It's akin to refusing someone wearing a swastika in that respect.

in what way?  I don't think that's a valid comparison at all.

You think they were protecting people from sexism?  I doubt that, and personally I'd rather be protected from peoples body odour when I'm on public transport, but they don't do that because it would be discriminate against peope who reek.

[-kawada-]

wagtail said:

in what way?  I don't think that's a valid comparison at all.

You think they were protecting people from sexism?  I doubt that, and personally I'd rather be protected from peoples body odour when I'm on public transport, but they don't do that because it would be discriminate against peope who reek.

It's not comparitable in severity but both could be interpreted as an expression of discriminating views... it's just an example of anti-PC behaviour. You're skewing my point. I personally don't care but I'm trying to see it from the perspective of the company.

I don't think they're protecting anyone and it seems like that bus driver didn't have that or safety on his mind when he refused them. For a women to wear subordination on her sleeve like that today, is controversial and there will be people who find it distasteful or offensive. Again, I don't care. I'm just dismayed that the PR men of Arrivia chose to ignore that in favour of some bullshit about safety.

[wagtail]

-kawada- said:

It's not comparitable in severity but both could be interpreted as an expression of discriminating views... it's just an example of anti-PC behaviour. You're skewing my point. I personally don't care but I'm trying to see it from the perspective of the company.

I don't think they're protecting anyone and it seems like that bus driver didn't have that or safety on his mind when he refused them. For a women to wear subordination on her sleeve like that today, is controversial and there will be people who find it distasteful or offensive. Again, I don't care. I'm just dismayed that the PR men of Arrivia chose to ignore that in favour of some bullshit about safety.

sorry if it seems I was skewing your point, I don't like it when people misrepresent me, so it certainly wasn't my intention.

BTW: what is the anti-PC behaviour..the bus company or the goths?

[-kawada-]

wagtail said:

sorry if it seems I was skewing your point, I don't like it when people misrepresent me, so it certainly wasn't my intention.

BTW: what is the anti-PC behaviour..the bus company or the goths?

I was referring to the goths and their possible non-PC take on gender roles. I know you could accuse it of the bus company for different reasons. That just goes to show how slippery the term is.

[TraceyBHull]

-kawada- said:

I was referring to the goths and their possible non-PC take on gender roles. I know you could accuse it of the bus company for different reasons. That just goes to show how slippery the term is.

A friend of mine is a Goth. I can't in a million years imagine her allowing her boyfriend to walk her around on a leash like a dog. In fact I believe she'd probably deck him if he even suggested it!:D

[wagtail]

-kawada- said:

That just goes to show how slippery the term is.

Yep, I agree.

[bertisfan]

surprisepig! said:

On the other hand, why would a woman let a man lead her around in such a demeaning way in this day and age? Has she no self respect?

Because they have fuck all else to be doing with their time! If they spent more time getting a job instead of walking around like a couple of fruit cakes, they'd be a lot better off.

[Lois]

Ya can't sit on the floor of a us like a dog sits on it's leash.  These people are not goths!!!! They are bringing their sub/dom sexual habits into public.  Frankly, it wouldn't have een in her interests to sit like that on a bus, it would have been dangerous for her.  Nothwithstanding the probability she would have loved this to happen, but; have you seen how people mini-kick and toe and even step on dogs as they get on and off busses?  Not a reasonable activity to watch on the way to town for a stint in the bingo hall.

Anyhow, it's so 1970's to seek attention in this way! Souxsie of Souxsie and the Banshees andher other half at that time, used to go to pubs around Croydon with one of them on a collar and leash.  

Let's all sing the Boomtown Rats..."she's so 1970's...she's a modern girl, oh yeah..."

[-kawada-]

TraceyBHull said:

A friend of mine is a Goth. I can't in a million years imagine her allowing her boyfriend to walk her around on a leash like a dog. In fact I believe she'd probably deck him if he even suggested it!:D

I live with two and by extension four or five of their friends who sleep on our sofa half the time. It's a strange niche. They're all extremely good natured people who put on a pretense of Satanic worship. It's funny when you hear 'I'm a Satanist' in a well spoken devonshire accent... until you realise it's not a satirical joke :confused: 'Arrested development' is what comes to mind.

Oh and related to what Lois said about sexual habits, one of them is pretty boastful about his and for want of a better phrase, they're fucked up.

[OneArpeggioPete]

Lois said:

Anyhow, it's so 1970's to seek attention in this way! Souxsie of Souxsie and the Banshees andher other half at that time, used to go to pubs around Croydon with one of them on a collar and leash.  

Let's all sing the Boomtown Rats..."she's so 1970's...she's a modern girl, oh yeah..."

"...and suzie is a jewel, she flashes when she smiles..."

good point! we've all become far too jaded to even still react to that kind of behaviour except with mild amusement. when siouxsie did it in the 1970's it made a point, but now...

-kawada- said:

'Arrested development' is what comes to mind.

indeed...

a couple of months ago i saw a kid on a train, maybe 18 or 19 years old, wearing the full goth regalia, the skirt with lots of zips, the big, clunky boots, the make-up, pink (!) nail varnish (so did that mean he belonged to the subgenre of gay goths?), the whole shebang, and i couldn't help but laugh. when i was 17 i'd have thought him the dog's bollocks in terms of coolness, but that was 1989. now he was trying so hard to be cool and rebellious and shock people, but the sad reality of it was that he probably wasn't even shocking his mom.

rebellion is in your head, not in wearing a fucking dog collar...

:-)

oneArpeggiopete:cool:

[isilida 32]

thank you. and you too lois. that was well said. they look stupid most of the time and you can't help but laugh. it's become so cliche to dress like that. you may really believe in that and dress that way because it's who you are, but it's become a cliche. i hope i said that right.